I think by her initial discussion with chair she may have thought he had retracted the coaching warning -
so was surprised a point was deducted for racquet abuse.
Lost her cool as a result.
Not understanding why her coach was coaching her from the stands -
as it is not something she resorts to & may have been completely unaware he was doing so.
IMO coach and her do not seem to be on the same page always.
Just an observation we have often seen and as expressed by other players -
rules are applied aribtrarily and selectively.
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Novak On SERENASerena has been on the tour for 20+ years. When is the last time a ref retracted a warning? How can she be so ..... ??? ( I can't even find the word) Last edited by Ace2Ace on Sep Tue 11, 2018 12:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Chair could have ushered a warning before deducting a game.#ed_op#br#ed_cl#Not defending Serena's behavior - but not defending chair altogether either. #ed_op#br#ed_cl#It takes two and director could have intervened as all saw what was happening.#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#BTW many players from Nadal, Venus, Federer, Murray, Djoko have complained to this chair during matches and/or after -#ed_op#br#ed_cl#I think Nadal refuses to have him umpire his matches. Last edited by CrossCourtBH on Sep Tue 11, 2018 12:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Who can actually hear and distinguish verbal coaching in Arthur Ashe and make sense of it? It's not like the hand signals from Maria's and Juicy's coaches. And what could they entail? "Hit to her bh." Really? There are only 2 choices, it's either the bh or fh. Plus wouldn't Naomi hear that also and adjust, assuming she wouldn't have thought the suggestion had come from her own coach? They complain because he is one of the very few refs that is not afraid of applying the rules. 1st warning. 2nd warning, you lose a point. 3rd warning, you lose a game. 4th warning, you lose the match. People who know him argue with him on that first warning, and they stop. Because they know he WILL apply the rules. If BJ. King and WTA don't like the rules, they should take them off the book. They shouldn't blame the umpire for applying them. Last edited by Ace2Ace on Sep Tue 11, 2018 12:25 pm, edited 1 time in total. <font color=brown>@ <b>Grossefavourite</b>:</font> What nth excuse are you coming up with? No one said there was verbal coaching. Were you watching the match? Last edited by Ace2Ace on Sep Tue 11, 2018 12:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
You make good points Ace - #ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#If they don't want the rules of no coaching then go through the proper channels to dismantle said rule/s. Can't blame chair for applying those rules.#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#Now some are even saying coaching from the stands and showing emotion - racquet abuse? - #ed_op#br#ed_cl#should be allowed. #ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#Why is Patrick admitting he has been coaching from stand previously - #ed_op#br#ed_cl#is that to Serena or his other players?#ed_op#br#ed_cl#Also he said Sascha was coaching (S denies it).#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#As you said during match - #ed_op#br#ed_cl#this would be grounds for many to have their say - #ed_op#br#ed_cl#now Martina is giving her take on it & others.#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl# Last edited by CrossCourtBH on Sep Tue 11, 2018 12:41 pm, edited 2 times in total. <font color=brown>@ <b>Grossefavourite</b>:</font> Already replied to this argument. It depends on when the players do it. You don't get points taken off if it's the first offense. You get a warning. If you are smart, you stop so you don't get 2nd, 3rd, 4th warning. When SErena starts berating refs, it's non-stop. At every change-over, she thinks she has the right to argue with him. She is lucky I am not an umpire. lol lol lol lol. I'd throw the book at her every time. This ref was very patient.  Last edited by Ace2Ace on Sep Tue 11, 2018 1:04 pm, edited 3 times in total.
This was regrettable - and Serena probably regrets it too. I am left with unanswered questions. This incident I feel does not and should not define Serena and her career (though during the match and now there are consequences). She did try on the podium to salvage things & under the circumstances that was commendable. |
