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Post by Grossefavourite » Jun Fri 30, 2017 10:36 am

<font color=brown>@ <b>Pyotr</b>:</font>
 
If she was going 5 mph, it's pretty easy to roll out at the tail end of the light being green but appearing to have done so when it was red. Venus said the light was green. The woman has filed a lawsuit against Vee for wrongful death, loss of companionship, medical and mental distress, etc.
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Post by Ace2Ace » Jun Fri 30, 2017 10:43 am

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The woman has filed a lawsuit against Vee for wrongful death, loss of companionship, medical and mental distress, etc.
No surprise. Wouldn't you sue if a rich celebrity was involved, whether the celebrity was not at fault or not? That's life here.
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Post by Grossefavourite » Jun Fri 30, 2017 10:59 am

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I feel pity for her, but this woman must've been going at some speed to demolish both cars, and her husband must not have been belted. It must be hard for her to accept blame for the death of her own husband, unless she was over him.

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Post by Grossefavourite » Jun Fri 30, 2017 11:19 am

LONDON (AP) — Venus Williams' publicist tells The Associated Press the five-time Wimbledon champion will play at the tournament after a police report emerged in Florida saying the tennis star caused a car crash that led to the death of a passenger in another vehicle.

Stephanie Jones says in an email on Friday that Williams is in London, where the year's third Grand Slam tournament is scheduled to begin Monday.

Williams is seeded 10th.

Palm Beach Gardens police say witnesses told investigators that Williams ran a red light in her 2010 Toyota Sequoia SUV on June 9, causing a crash that injured 78-year-old Jerome Barson, who died two weeks later. An attorney for Williams says the light was green when she entered the intersection.

The police report was released Thursday.

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Re:VENUS, Oh, No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Pyotr » Jun Fri 30, 2017 11:36 am

#ed_op#span class="postbody"#ed_cl#
No surprise. Wouldn't you sue if a rich celebrity was involved, whether the celebrity was not at fault or not? That's life here.
#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#Indeed it is, especially this day and age. Also, most celebrities often just settle out of court for an undisclosed amount.#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#/span#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#span class="postbody"#ed_cl#
I feel pity for her, but this woman#ed_op#b#ed_cl# must've been going at some speed to demolish both cars#ed_op#/b#ed_cl#, and her husband must not have been belted. It must be hard for her to accept blame for the death of her own husband, unless she was over him.
#ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#Exactly! Venus was only going 5mph, how fast was this woman going? #ed_op#br#ed_cl#She had to have had some head of steam to demolish both cars as you've said.#ed_op#/span#ed_cl##ed_op#span class="postbody"#ed_cl# #ed_op#br#ed_cl#Either Venus did run a red light or this woman was going at such a speed#ed_op#/span#ed_cl##ed_op#span class="postbody"#ed_cl# that #ed_op#br#ed_cl#when she saw Venus their was no time to stop. #ed_op#br#ed_cl#It's a miracle and blessing that Venus escaped without any injuries. #ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#br#ed_cl#I agree, if this woman does bare any responsibility it has to be tough#ed_op#br#ed_cl#to admit that she could have possibly caused the death of her husband, #ed_op#br#ed_cl#easier to blame Venus. Either way, just sad. #ed_op#br#ed_cl##ed_op#/span#ed_cl#
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Post by Ace2Ace » Jun Fri 30, 2017 11:51 am

Nowadays, there are videos at almost every intersection.
Maybe the police have the film.

I doesn't matter if Venus slowed down at 5 mph if she was in the middle of traffic on a red light. The other car may not have much option left. That's 1 case.

another case would be if Venus was turning on the green light when the other car went through the red light and hit her.

Only witnesses or video will tell who is at fault.
The truth is: one of them shouldn't be crossing the intersection at that time. Someone was in a hurry.
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Post by rex » Jun Fri 30, 2017 11:57 am

Such slipshod reporting nowadays in the media, leaving one w/o solid, factual evidence that would allow an individual to reach a conclusion derived from such.

The Daily Mail has an article on the accident, plus pictures and photos, but what it lacks is eyewitness accounts that would allegedly verify whether Venus ran the light or not or whether she "darted" out in traffic, per the driver's account, resulting in the elderly couple ramming Venus attempting to cross the intersection, which later, unfortunately, resulted in a person losing their life. From the article there are already contradictions that would have to be sorted out in traffic court, sans a visual recording actually reporting on the chain of events.

Yet, per link, this is what I've seen at this point:

1). "This" is an 8 lane road that Venus was crossing with 6 lanes of actual traffic and 2 turning lanes on either side. If Venus was only moving at 5 mph, she's hardly "darting" across 8 lanes of traffic.

2). There was no police report filed at the time of the accident, no citation given to Venus at that point. However, there is no report as to whether there were eyewitness statements taken at that time by the police officer responding to the scene of the accident.

3). Subsequent investigation of the accident determined that Venus was at fault. Based on what? According to Grosse', "eyewitness" accounts said that Venus ran the light. Yet, how is Venus running a light across "6 lanes" of actual traffic at 5 mph? Yet, it is possible for I've seen drivers attempt to cross traffic during the yellow light (8 seconds time span here in Chicago) to beat the red, but the other drivers moving cross direction won't move 'til the intersection is clear (looking both ways) ere driving on the green, but that driver is "accelerating" during the time span of the yellow light to beat the red. Yet, there is no indication that Venus accelerated, for she's reported to have only crept across 6 lanes of traffic at a high rate of speed of 5 mph. This action here is debatable w/o actual facts as to what has occurred.

4). In the DM article there is a photo and the police report that contradict. The police report has the elderly couple ramming Venus in the lst lane near the turning lane to the street Venus is driving. However, the overhead photo of the intersection has the elderly couple in the "turning lane" hitting Venus. This is a clear discrepancy that has to be sorted out.

5). This item is not clear, thus not factual. In attempting to reconstruct the accident...if the elderly couple was in the lst lane near the turning lane and the lane they were driving was clear and on red prior to them reaching the intersection and they were already driving at an accelerated speed, but the other 2 lanes of actual traffic on their side of the road is stopped at the red light blocking the vision to their left, when the light turns green as they approach the intersection, Venus suddenly emerges beyond the 2 lanes of stopped traffic, would've caused the wife to ram Venus' vehicle at the change of the light, even if Venus was traveling at 5 mph, for her vision to her left is blocked by stopped traffic. The wife may not have seen Venus 'til at the last second during the change of the traffic light. Yet, this is not clear by the reports.

6). Per overhead photo, if the elderly couple is in the turning lane to turn unto the street Venus is driving, then they are driving too fast at the time they hit Venus, traffic light change or not, for they would've slowed down to turn on the right. Again, with reference to item 5, this is not clear where they are on the road.

7). Venus' attorney said Venus had the right of way, for she was on the green light. Yet,the police report said that Venus blocked the right of way of the elderly couple, but it doesn't say that they were on the green light. Discrepancy......

8). The husband who died wasn't wearing a seat belt, which could've saved his life. Yet, that is moot at this point.

These are the facts from what I've read thus far on this incident, with many details missing so that one could actually understand the chain of events leading up to this unfortunate accident and what actually occurred. Yet, this is typical, not atypical of media reporting on incidents nowadays, leaving one bereft of details that one could arrive at a definite conclusion on such.

Lastly, to posters, if you're going to post on subjects like this, cite a report with a link, for w/o such it leads to gossip and innuendo.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... wreck.html
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Post by Pyotr » Jun Fri 30, 2017 12:05 pm

Rex, thanks for that info and insight.

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Re:VENUS, Oh, No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ace2Ace » Jun Fri 30, 2017 12:06 pm

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Post by Ace2Ace » Jun Fri 30, 2017 12:44 pm

Is that the real report from the police or a fake British tabloid draw?
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