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Post by Graveller » Oct Tue 15, 2019 3:19 am

No, give Trump a break (and another term): 8 years of Trump-havoc is the only remedy against another populist bilionnaire becoming president in the next 50-60 years. It is about educating the people.
And from where I am sitting, there are no decent alternatives anyway.

(By 2080, the next generations will have forgotten about Trump, and they will elect their own populist: but that will be their problem).
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Post by sekasi » Oct Tue 15, 2019 7:42 am

Graveller wrote:
Oct Tue 15, 2019 3:19 am
No, give Trump a break (and another term): 8 years of Trump-havoc is the only remedy against another populist bilionnaire becoming president in the next 50-60 years. It is about educating the people.
And from where I am sitting, there are no decent alternatives anyway.

(By 2080, the next generations will have forgotten about Trump, and they will elect their own populist: but that will be their problem).
I wish that was possible. I am beginning to believe the only people who can be educated are the kids.

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Post by Graveller » Oct Tue 15, 2019 9:09 am

sekasi wrote:
Oct Tue 15, 2019 7:42 am

I wish that was possible. I am beginning to believe the only people who can be educated are the kids.
Oh, they will be educated to some degree but do not expect them to admit so in public... But when voting, they will think twice.

(to give an extreme example: those voting for Hitler in the 30ties realized their stupidity 15 years later, but many never admitted that they once supported that political party - but when voting again, they did not make that mistake again)

To be very clear: I do not want/like Trump, and many amongst you do not want/like Trump, but part of me thinks that Trump is exactly what the USA needs to fix parts of its society. To get rid of the white, old-men elite and power of (oil, gun, etc) industry, they need to inflict enough damage to the society.

Sometimes you have to go to rock-bottom in order to get everyone on the same side again... Unfortunately, rock-bottom is never a nice place to be.
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Post by sekasi » Oct Tue 15, 2019 12:38 pm

Graveller wrote:
Oct Tue 15, 2019 9:09 am

To be very clear: I do not want/like Trump, and many amongst you do not want/like Trump, but part of me thinks that Trump is exactly what the USA needs to fix parts of its society. To get rid of the white, old-men elite and power of (oil, gun, etc) industry, they need to inflict enough damage to the society.

Sometimes you have to go to rock-bottom in order to get everyone on the same side again... Unfortunately, rock-bottom is never a nice place to be.
I agree with you , America needed Trump in order for us to face most of the things we like to hide, but I don't know if we need another 4 years of this wreck. I didn't know 4 years could be so long. Jesus take the wheel. :cry:

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Post by djmm1962 » Oct Tue 15, 2019 12:45 pm

LOL, Jesus take the wheel is right. I don't think the planet could take another four years of Trump & Co. Crime Syndicate, with disruptions on every continent. He has to go NOW!!

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Post by Grossefavourite » Oct Tue 15, 2019 12:50 pm

Trump’s impeachment barricade crumbles
Key witnesses are ignoring Trump and delivering bombshell testimony in Democrats’ Ukraine investigation.
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Former White House adviser Fiona Hill leaves Capitol Hill Monday after giving closed-door testimony to a panel of impeachment investigators. | Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP Photo

Donald Trump's impeachment blockade has collapsed.


The president's former top Russia adviser, Fiona Hill — the first White House official to cooperate in Democrats' investigation of the Ukraine scandal — has sketched for lawmakers a trail of alleged corruption that extends from Kiev to the West Wing. In dramatic testimony on Monday, she roped in some of Trump's top advisers as witnesses to the unfolding controversy.

And on Tuesday, a senior State Department official, George Kent, appeared on Capitol Hill to testify about his knowledge of the episode despite an attempt by administration lawyers to block him, according to a source working on the impeachment inquiry. The House Intelligence Committee issued a subpoena for his testimony Tuesday morning, and Kent, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, complied.

It's the latest evidence that the White House’s stonewalling against congressional requests for documents and testimony is crumbling — and Democrats are feeling a new sense of momentum.

"Thank you to patriots like @realDonaldTrump appointee Fiona Hill who chose to ignore the obstruction from Trump and gave testimony to Congress today," said Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.). "The truth will keep coming out. And Trump cannot stop it."

In closed-door testimony described by a source in the room, Hill detailed increasing alarm among White House officials over the shadow diplomacy efforts of Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who mounted a months-long campaign to dirty Biden on unfounded charges.

She said she shared her concerns with then-National Security Adviser John Bolton who encouraged her to report her concerns about Giuliani's efforts to a National Security Council lawyer — which she did twice. Hill also connected Giuliani's efforts to Trump's acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, indicating that Bolton characterized their efforts on Ukraine as a "drug deal."

According to a source in the room Monday, Hill said Bolton compared Giuliani to "a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up."

And the flood of damaging information surely isn't over.

As lawmakers return to Capitol Hill on Tuesday, a growing number of witnesses this week will describe their own role in the controversy, even as the White House has vowed not to engage with House Democrats’ “illegitimate” impeachment effort. The Democratic Caucus is also set to meet Tuesday night after a two-week recess to discuss the impeachment inquiry.

On Wednesday, Michael McKinley, who abruptly resigned last week as a top aide to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, intends to testify before lawmakers.

On Thursday comes Gordon Sondland, the EU ambassador whose text messages revealed by lawmakers indicated he was aware of efforts to pressure Ukrainian officials to investigate Biden. Sondland is reportedly ready to deflect any blame onto Trump about whether there was any quid pro quo.

Congressional investigators on Friday will hear from Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper, who oversees Russia- and Ukraine-related matters at the Pentagon.

Despite the series of breakthroughs, Democrats will still face resistance from the White House to some of their high-level requests.

When asked whether Trump's budget office planned to comply with a Tuesday subpoena deadline for documents, a senior administration official did not say, instead pointing to a White House letter last week that deemed the House impeachment probe "unconstitutional."

But Hill's account underscores how the president's once-impenetrable barrier to meaningful testimony in Democrats’ impeachment inquiry has been blown apart.

"The walls are closing in. The details we are learning about the shadow foreign policy operation Trump has been running to benefit himself personally are stunning," said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). "Why have a democracy, if we allow this to happen without consequence?"

Though Hill's testimony was the most damning to date, she wasn't the first to put a crack in Trump's wall.

Earlier this month, former Ambassador Kurt Volker provided text messages between himself and other diplomats in which they described concerns that Trump was using a potential White House visit for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, and possibly even military aid, as a cudgel to force the besieged country to probe Biden. Volker testified for nine hours to lawmakers and aides behind closed doors. Trump has forcefully denied any sort of "quid pro quo" occurred.

Last Friday, former Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch testified about her abrupt removal by Trump, which came amid a smear campaign by Trump's allies that accused her of disloyalty. Yovanovitch's ouster in May infuriated senior State Department hands, and she testified that the ability of bad actors to engineer her removal could be exploited by foreign adversaries.

Kent served under Yovanovitch in Ukraine for three years. A former State Department official said Kent is “able to peel back layers of the onion that many people can’t,” and he is likely to speak out against Yovanovitch’s ouster.

Meanwhile, Giuliani, who is facing a mounting set of legal woes, is due to provide documents to Congress under a subpoena issued by the House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday, but it's unclear if he intends to cooperate.

Giuliani has been defiant and indicated he intends to be watching the third game of a New York Yankees playoff series — and possibly even attend the afternoon ballgame.

House Republicans have said little about the substance of Hill's testimony but have complained vehemently about Democrats' decision to hold witness interviews behind closed doors. They say a matter as weighty as the potential impeachment of the president should be conducted publicly.

Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff has countered this complaint, arguing that the secrecy surrounding the initial interviews is meant to prevent witnesses from aligning their statements.

Caitlin Emma and Nahal Toosi contributed to this report.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/1 ... ion-046915

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